James-ST Moderator: gm all

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BRUNO3 GM

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frederic gm all

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Good Morning[/b] [b]James, tomh, BRUNO, frederic[/b]

James-ST Moderator: hey bruno, tomh, frederic

tomh gm

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Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Good Morning[/b] [b]JR[/b]

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JR Mornin'

Ken-ST Moderator: pathetic list this morning gang

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cleon gm

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Good Morning[/b] [b]cleon[/b]

jovid gm

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Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Good Morning[/b] [b]bengal[/b]

bengal gm

James-ST Moderator: gm bengal, jovid, cleon, jr

JR gm

frederic MXIM?

Ken-ST Moderator: still in the previous days range

frederic right

cleon VRTX?

frederic what about NICE?

Ken-ST Moderator: VRTX still in trading range

Ken-ST Moderator: NICE as well

Ken-ST Moderator: in large trading range

Ken-ST Moderator: slim pickins today

James-ST Moderator: Poor guy who was shot, evidently a great family man who forgot his medication

cleon Miami?

frederic How do you define "large" trading range?

Ken-ST Moderator: in the case of NICE, you see the nearly 4 month trading range

Ken-ST Moderator: between 40 and 48

Ken-ST Moderator: just pure choppy directionless trade in that area

James-ST Moderator: yep cleon, neighbors loved him, husband of 20 years......bipolar though

frederic I see. Thanks

cleon that is sad

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Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Good Morning[/b] [b]david[/b]

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James-ST Moderator: Server problems gang, room quite empty.....

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-9]

Dusty time for new servers!

cleon get off those old IBMs

James-ST Moderator: hahahhaha

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

Ken-ST Moderator: adding ISCA

James-ST Moderator: host company

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James-ST Moderator: HEY DARIN

James-ST Moderator: Market slight gap above 50 ema, stochastics are up

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James-ST Moderator: hey jose

Jose gm James, Ken, everyone!

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]ELOS 45.01[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]ELOS 45.01[/b]

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Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]ISCA 48.04[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]ISCA 48.04[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]ISCA 48.04[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]ISCA 48.04[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]ISCA 48.04[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]ISCA 48.04[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]ISCA  [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]ISCA  [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]ISCA  [/b]

cleon nice

James-ST Moderator: wow, Papa John's....what a nice daily chart......i must be the only person in america who thinks their pizza is.....not the best

Ken-ST Moderator: ty

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

cleon cramer's been hyping them for months

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.86 [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.86 [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.86 [/b]

cleon is that just a bad tick on PZZA?

cleon 56.25

Ken-ST Moderator: YES

James-ST Moderator: yep

frederic left panel mistype on PZZA entry: 58.86

James-ST Moderator: ty fred......if you can get 48.....[img id=em-8]

cleon wouldn't that be nice

frederic ohhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

James-ST Moderator: Market appears to have found upside resistance on the 50 ema on the 5 minute chart, stochastics are down

James-ST Moderator: ISCA new LOD

Ken-ST Moderator: market testing 20 ema now

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

James-ST Moderator: Market new LOD

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

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Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PLAY 27.40[/b]

Hunter : gm guys

James-ST Moderator: hey hunter, ak.......sorry about server difficulties

Hunter : ah no thing

ak gm James, Ken all

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James-ST Moderator: wb bruno

ak I thought you guys just not in the mood to chat this am. lol

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

Hunter : lol

Ken-ST Moderator: sorry about that gang

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RoGeRj HEY !!

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James-ST Moderator: hey roger, boomer......sorry about server

boomer what is the stop for PLAY

BRUNO3 STOP ON PLAY ?

Ken-ST Moderator: currently lod

ak Ken needed some quite time. James needed an early morning nap under his desk. lol.  I understand.

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-4]

cleon LOD or penny under?

boomer THANKS CLEON

James-ST Moderator: 26.73

cleon just verifying - thx

cleon HURC?

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James-ST Moderator: HURC, not really a gap up......

James-ST Moderator: hey dana, applet no load lmao

James-ST Moderator: sorry about server issues

Ken-ST Moderator: near a good trend area however, we will keep an eye on it

cleon HOD was thought

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James-ST Moderator: hey gd

Ken-ST Moderator: gm all

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applet_no_load Think EAT type b?

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James-ST Moderator: NYSE, may look to fade gap

jy gm

James-ST Moderator: hey alaska, jy, jp........sorry about server problems

alaska gm, just finally able to sign in here

Ken-ST Moderator: sorry about that

alaska but I did make money on ISCA

Ken-ST Moderator: Sweet alaska

gd gm James...had a difficult time login on thsi morning.

Ken-ST Moderator: very nice

James-ST Moderator: yep, sorry gd......most everyone did.....good news is that only the handsome people could not get in.....

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gd how did ya know?

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James-ST Moderator: well me and ken could get in so it was easily diagnosed

gd lol

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Todd-SOF Direct gm everyone

JP What's the stop on play?

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

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Ken-ST Moderator: currently lod

boomer KEN...could you make a sound check please

Ken-ST Moderator: It is making a test of its 5 ema now

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

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Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 56.24[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 56.24[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 56.24[/b]

boomer thanks

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PLAY 26.99[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PLAY 26.99[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PLAY 26.99[/b]

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Ken-ST Moderator: gm david

david Hi Ken

James-ST Moderator: hey kimmronn, david, sorry about server problems

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Ken-ST Moderator: gm reserve

david No pro blem, I wondered what was up

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

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Ken-ST Moderator: Consider moving stop to entry on YELL for those in on the short

jy james, ken just put out a trade on PZZA short at 56.24 ???

Ken-ST Moderator: yes the price should be 56.24

gd I can't short pzza

cleon where do you get the .24 from?

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Ken-ST Moderator: I have the lod a56.26

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cleon ok

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

TraderBob Delayed GM all

Ken-ST Moderator: sorry

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

cleon .30?

applet_no_load make up your mind

cleon maybe we just average the two - LOL

Ken-ST Moderator: lol cleon, I told you earlier that there was a misprint on PZZA

cleon yeah, i see.30 on my chart as the preferred entry

Ken-ST Moderator: and I messed that up

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

Ken-ST Moderator: rough morning

cleon lmao - you don't do that often

BRUNO3 IS PZZA SHORT @ 57.30 OR 56.24 ?

jy yes. I just saw the misprint at 56.26around 9:31 a.m.

James-ST Moderator: follow me

James-ST Moderator: 57.30

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-8]

applet_no_load thats what Judas said

gd order pzza @ .30

Ken-ST Moderator: lmao

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Ken-ST Moderator: gm bman

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Ken-ST Moderator: morning doc

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James-ST Moderator: gm bman, vegy, zia, jb......sorry abotu server issues

James-ST Moderator: about

James-ST Moderator: PZZA close

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Short[/b] [b]PZZA 57.30[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Dusty No shorts alowed on etrade.

James-ST Moderator: hunter help us out.......call in an order for 20 pizzas and have them deliver to a non existent address

cleon better yet - roach in the cheese call

applet_no_load got filled at 57.27

frederic avian bird flu  in the chicken pizza

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-5]

boomer We are going to get stopped on PLAY...I have a feeling

gd more than a feeling....

jy stop on pzza ?

applet_no_load play out

cleon just like PLAY...so close

boomer stopped and ****ed

cleon look at this way, we're all going to get screwed by a pizza and a play...

James-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PLAY[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PLAY[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PLAY[/b]

Hunter : already did, some place in texas, I think the place is called stupidville its just outside crawford ! lmfao

Ken-ST Moderator: funny

Ken-ST Moderator: i still see the bid at 27

johnboy what is significant about Crawford, TX?

Hunter : not to everybody Ken

jy ken.james - stop on PZZA ?

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.46[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.46[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.46[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: Gang, I did not see SBSH move from the bid on PLAY

jy that's a loose stop

Ken-ST Moderator: if you are not out on PLAY wait for a better confrimation of the stop

Hunter : its where bush's place is

Ken-ST Moderator: we will still book the loss, but for your trading

johnboy lol, I get it now

cleon HURC breaks out past yesterday's highs

Ken-ST Moderator: ah nice

Ken-ST Moderator: There was a consoldiation near the breakout that was healthy for the stock

cleon the pennant today worked on that one

James-ST Moderator: Market has done nothing since open, still trading below 50 ema on 5 minute chart, stochastics are down

johnboy ANLT up 171%......beware of gravity

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Dusty No? I looked at the site but didn't request anything.

applet_no_load EAT hit profit

Dusty No worries. Thx!

cleon too early for .58 stop on PZZA?

cleon .60 i mean

James-ST Moderator: almost cleon.....

cleon i guess you would wait for closure of the next bar below this point, right?

James-ST Moderator: yep

cleon k

James-ST Moderator: a new lod would be nice

James-ST Moderator: r

James-ST Moderator: ncie

James-ST Moderator: nicer

cleon yes it would

cleon PLAY POS

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frederic what's with PLAY?!

James-ST Moderator: pos

kimmronis what is pos?

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PLAY 26.73[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PLAY 26.73[/b]

James-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Short at new low of the day on[/b] [b]PLAY 26.73[/b]

James-ST Moderator: lol kimmronn

James-ST Moderator: POS = Piece of Shit

James-ST Moderator: POS =  any stock that stops us out

boomer what about PZZA...what is the stop

James-ST Moderator: 58.46

boomer I think that CLEON was right with PLAY...the stop should have been at the lod

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Intraday Trend is Sideways to Up[/b]

James-ST Moderator: Market break above the 50 ema on the 5 minute chart...stochastics are up

cleon PLAY POS took out my stop and went right back up

kimmron Hi James

cleon not reading any of those articles anymore

James-ST Moderator: hey kimmron

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alaska take a look at EAT, possible short at new lod?

Ken-ST Moderator: could work out but there is a support in this general area

alaska thx

cleon go PZZA go...

James-ST Moderator: MarkeT New HOD

cleon SPX looking healthier!

cleon at least intraday ...

James-ST Moderator: yep spiking

cleon HURC is on a roll - would have been great overnighter

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: Cancel all alerts:  11:00 turn time

cleon does that mean PZZA will turn positive ROI? :)

James-ST Moderator: Return on Investment?

cleon man..i was so close to buying ES when SPX was at 1255 today...would have been nice!

James-ST Moderator: They are saying that they will make more than they put in this year....

James-ST Moderator: Must be good pizza......Dominos for me........

cleon ?

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James-ST Moderator: Prefer Domino's pizza over pizza hut or papa....

cleon ah.

cleon both are pretty good here.  have you tried Papa Murphys?  great stuff

kimmron James, thanks for the clarification about POS. It is very useful today

James-ST Moderator: lmao

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-4]

cleon POS - prefer other stocks...

cleon or something similar - LOL

kimmron Imao?

cleon laughing my @#$ off

James-ST Moderator: lmao and lol are internet abbreviations

kimmron and

James-ST Moderator: or Laugh out Loud........when you find something funny

cleon ROFLOL - rolling on floor laughing out loud.  don't see too many of these because James isn't that funny :)

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-2]

cleon jk

kimmron Imao?

Ken-ST Moderator: lmao

James-ST Moderator: what cleon said.....laughing my ass off

Ken-ST Moderator: haha

James-ST Moderator: again, when you find soemthing funny

cleon MVCO also making moves today

Ken-ST Moderator: Scanning for TYpe C shorting opps

frederic looks like PZZA is going .. going ... going (up, that is)

Ken-ST Moderator: any questions?

cleon made a nice trade just now - long 4500 sh of REDF @18.9 and out @19.23.  wish those happened every day

James-ST Moderator: very nice cleon

Ken-ST Moderator: wow, very nice cleon

cleon certainly not a daily occurrence unfortunately...

johnboy nice cleon, you're buying the ice cream

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

cleon will buy every day if it gets consistent - LOL

johnboy sounds good, I like ben and jerrys "half baked"

cleon lmao

Hunter : life stlye or taste johnboy ! lmao

johnboy I respectfully decline to answer your question...........

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

johnboy there is nothing better than driving around in a D9 cat (bulldozer) with the heater cranked while it's -25 outside eating outside......nirvana

johnboy eating ice cream

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-5]

kimmron James, PZZA strongly overbought?

James-ST Moderator: hopefully it is

JR like to hear cleon's strategy behind his big trade on REDF, what indicators, etc

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cleon nothing too exciting, just a bounce off of yesterday's resistance and what looked like an intraday bottom

cleon support

cleon sold when it hit a lot of intraday resistance before .25

cleon risky trade

cleon market was rising at the time

JR thanks, wow, yesterdays end of day action was unbelievable on REDF

cleon i like using patterns - like today i'm also trading HURC as it keeps forming rising flags/pennants

cleon look at the chart today - four of them and another possible forming - although ken/james have convinced me not to trade lunchtime breakouts

cleon for good reason

boomer KIMMRON...PZZA Overbought on the daily chart?

alaska slow day?  here are some other gappers: alog, am, cnt, eat, fdg, gyi, isca, lzb, pii, plab, play, rcni, rhb, rra, slnk, trk, vts, wci

Ken-ST Moderator: ty alaska

James-ST Moderator: alog thin side, 100k, congestion

James-ST Moderator: am is nice, but not near lows set in late april

James-ST Moderator: CNT buyout not moving

James-ST Moderator: EAT like AM

cleon MOGN and MRGE might become good shorts today

James-ST Moderator: ISCA stands out alaska, a long at HOD after lunch to fade that gap above it would be nice

James-ST Moderator: will add that one to watch list

cleon or CEPH at HOD?

alaska We have ISCA already, go NASCAR

James-ST Moderator: AH LMAO

James-ST Moderator: careful cleon, overbought

cleon yeah, i just saw CEPH's chart - moved too much already

cleon was on my watch earlier and missed it - bummer

alaska KOSP maybe also

James-ST Moderator: kosp, no real gap and into congestion

cleon MRGE just tanked

James-ST Moderator: whoah last 4 days

cleon yep - clean air underneath

James-ST Moderator: hitting the 50 day ema......if it doesnt find support there.......trouble

cleon daiily?

James-ST Moderator: yep

James-ST Moderator: Hottie alert

James-ST Moderator: Kimmronn, do you folks have CNBC?

cleon out the window?

James-ST Moderator: Sylvia

cleon ah

kimmron No

James-ST Moderator: Any financial news channel?

johnboy hmm, it's not even 9:00 am where you are James, so it can't be alcohol.............

kimmron James, at least not yet

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kimmron No financial news channel, except the news on the platform

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

Ken-ST Moderator: Sylvia on CNBC now

Ken-ST Moderator: James, two hands on the keyboard

johnboy where's Liz today?

Ken-ST Moderator: Not sure

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kimmron James-any comments/prospects on PZZA.

jy PZZA not looking good for us.

Ken-ST Moderator: near to stop

cleon gave up at .10

Ken-ST Moderator: Come on, a friggen pizza company?

jy i think we'll e stopped out - i hope not

cleon LOL - i agree with you Ken - what's up with THAT

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cleon everyone buys pizza at X-mas or something?

Ken-ST Moderator: eggnog and pizza

jy NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Shares of Papa John's International rose early Thursday after the company reiterated its profit outlook for 2005, gave a bullish earnings forecast for 2006, declared a two-for-one stock split and boosted its buyback program by $25 million

Ken-ST Moderator: Market stochatics in uptrend still

Ken-ST Moderator: tx

Ken-ST Moderator: jy

Ken-ST Moderator: CEPH in new trend area

cleon it's really moving today

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cleon MRGE might provide another short in the afternoon

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applet_no_load K have you given any further thought to having a STOP column on the alert list?

Ken-ST Moderator: hi tj

Ken-ST Moderator: yes we are still working on that

Ken-ST Moderator: We want to make sure we can post things timely

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tj hi ken.

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Ken-ST Moderator: wb

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JP Was someone in here trading ANLT today?

JP It's like a rollercoaster

Ken-ST Moderator: wow

Ken-ST Moderator: that stock is all over the place

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jy PZZA may be painful 1 penny to go

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PZZA  [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PZZA  [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PZZA  [/b]

jy :(

frederic my stop did not get triggered ...

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Ken-ST Moderator: should have

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cleon hurc is just on a tear today

alaska swc nearing HOD, maybe good in a half hour

Ken-ST Moderator: brb

alaska While it is slow here, we ought to mention the tax benefits of trading futures maybe?

James-ST Moderator: Not reported.....

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-5]

James-ST Moderator: I believe

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James-ST Moderator: hey entropy

entropy hey

alaska 60% of proftis taxes at  long term rate, and don't need detailed tax paperwork for each trade, simply end of year statement.

James-ST Moderator: I take the 5th......

cleon sold

entropy is VVTV a buy at hod

James-ST Moderator: Maybe after lunch

entropy after 1?

cleon The CFMA expanded the definition of a "broad-based index" (10 or more securities) to include almost all futures and options on stock indices, including "e-minis," treating them as commodities and favoring them with a tax break. "Narrow-based" indices (nine or fewer securities), by contrast, are considered securities and taxed at the ordinary capital gains rate.

cleon Regardless of the fact that most futures trading is exempt from detailed transaction reporting, traders must keep the detailed records in their files, as any well-run business would maintain its records.  If you are audited, these details will be used to substantiate the volume of your daily activity in support of claiming "trader status" on your tax return.  Screen shots of your year-to-date transactions, saved and backed-up to multiple CD-Rs, may be invaluable during an IRS audit.  Also save your monthly statements and if available, your confirmations.

James-ST Moderator: entropy.....yes

James-ST Moderator: cleon, thanks!

cleon fast typing

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boomer what is the procedure to chat with someone directly

James-ST Moderator: you can either click on their name and just type one sentence or.....

James-ST Moderator: click on their name and click the icon above the list of names that has two cartoon guys sharing a chat bubble

cleon a good board for tax questions...http://www.traderstatus.com/board/

alaska cleon, what about the "trader status", tell me more

cleon reading up on it myself right now - i'll post the technical definition in a sec.

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alaska wow nasdq dropping

cleon Under audit, it should be evidenced that the taxpayer had a substantial portion of his liquid net worth trading the market.   Ideally even using margin.

There should be monthly sells.  preferably weekly sells, even more preferably daily sells.

There should probably be at least 200 to 500 significant sells per year with a minimum of maybe 1/36th of the year's number of sells occurring in each month.  Ideally, each week should see some selling.

Traders with 1,000 or more significant sells per year usually clearly qualify for trader status.

Traders with less than 100 or 200 sells may have a tougher time substantiating trader status.

Traders with significant sells numbering between 200 and 500 or 1,000 often can qualify for trader status but they might be under more scrutiny during an audit than would someone with more significant volume.

James-ST Moderator: Market is right at the 50 ema on the minute chart now

cleon alaska, check out the website - has all the answers

JP Thanks for the link Cleon.  I'm going to have to go through that site this weekend.

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cleon same here - has some interesting ideas about forming a separate entity for trading, etc. pros/cons and a great discussion board

alaska what website?  and substantial portion of net worth, what is the criteria for substantial?  thanks, great info

cleon www.traderstatus.com

alaska thx

kimmron Cleon, curious about the advantages of being on trader status

cleon check out the site - i  just pulled information from there and don't have firsthand knowledge - basically looking for ways to reduce taxes and write off expenses

Todd-SOF Direct The good thing about futures is you don't have to have trader status to get the benefits.

MarkB pzza breaking HOD

cleon agreed Todd - must be one of the reasons they are so popular - 130% growth rate at CME - fastest growing product they ever offered (e-minis)

Todd-SOF Direct Yes, that is one of the benefits.

alaska so that trader status stuff applies to equity day traders?  futures don't need to be trader status?

kimmron Cleon, Tx. not relevant for me

Todd-SOF Direct yes, that is correct. everyone gets the same tax statements.

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Ken-ST Moderator: back

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Ken-ST Moderator: any questions gang

Ken-ST Moderator: seems like a countertrend day today

Ken-ST Moderator: range trading going on

Ken-ST Moderator: Market back to the days low

entropy any trades looking good

entropy vvtv hod

entropy play lod

Ken-ST Moderator: yes

Ken-ST Moderator: however the market is approaching oversold as near the 1:30 end of lunch period

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA  59.01[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA  59.01[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type B Buy at new high of the day on[/b] [b]PZZA  59.01[/b]

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Ken-ST Moderator: PZZA is close

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Ken-ST Moderator: wb

fzappia2 ty ken

entropy pzza gimme my $ back

entropy PAPA POS

cleon HURC HOD?

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type A Buy on[/b] [b]HURC 29.45[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type A Buy on[/b] [b]HURC 29.45[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type A Buy on[/b] [b]HURC 29.45[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: lol cleon

Ken-ST Moderator: same wavelength

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cleon if market gets out of oversold - MOGN could make YTD low today

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE A Trade (Breakout). Consider Buy[/b] [b]HURC 29.45[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE A Trade (Breakout). Consider Buy[/b] [b]HURC 29.45[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE A Trade (Breakout). Consider Buy[/b] [b]HURC 29.45[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: PZZA is close too

Ken-ST Moderator: pos

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]HURC 29.16[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]HURC 29.16[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]HURC 29.16[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator Buy!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PZZA 59.01[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PZZA 59.01[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE B Trade (Gap). Consider Buy[/b] [b]PZZA 59.01[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]HURC[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]HURC[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]HURC[/b]

cleon nice

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 59.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 59.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 59.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: thanks for bringing it up

cleon np

jy ken, 58.49 since we long

kimmron Ken, U mean PZZA 58.49

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 55.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 55.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 55.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: ah ty kimmron

jy 55.49 ???? 58.49.

kimmron Ken, U sure 55.49????????

alaska Ken you getting too much sun?

entropy ROFLMAO

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]PZZA 58.49[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

cleon now i know why you've been wanting pizza all day

cleon been visiting the greenhouse

Ken-ST Moderator: sorry, man, its trying to look and some and type at the same time.

Ken-ST Moderator: its hard

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

Ken-ST Moderator: i cant even type

Ken-ST Moderator: Was supposed to say, its hard trying to look handsome and type at the same time

cleon lmao

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cleon quit looking in the mirror while u type

Ken-ST Moderator: easier said than done

Ken-ST Moderator: wb Jose

Jose hey Ken\

cleon HURC looks like it's going to make another leg up - what a run today!

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kimmron Ken, please sound check

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kimmron James, sound check please

James-ST Moderator: got it?

gd si

kimmron no

James-ST Moderator: it is working kimmronn

kimmron one again please

James-ST Moderator: done

kimmron again please

James-ST Moderator: k

kimmron several times

Ken-ST Moderator: Thats good enough

entropy I'll take 1 too

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

entropy lol

kimmron i must have aproblem

alaska same here, using sunw java too.

Ken-ST Moderator: no sound alaska?

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop to entry[/b] [b]PZZA [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop to entry[/b] [b]PZZA [/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop to entry[/b] [b]PZZA [/b]

kimmron sound ok on my side

frederic pzza is really a pos

cleon MOGN

Ken-ST Moderator: nice cleon

cleon we'll see

Ken-ST Moderator: You in there?

cleon yes

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type A Short on[/b] [b]MOGN 17.84[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type A Short on[/b] [b]MOGN 17.84[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]Watching for Type A Short on[/b] [b]MOGN 17.84[/b]

cleon there's nothing underneath so depending on action i might hold overnight

Ken-ST Moderator: Market nearing the lod

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Ken-ST Moderator: wb tomh

Ken-ST Moderator: Nasdaq new lod

entropy PZZA gives me the runs

Ken-ST Moderator: Must be the lactose

entropy its the fake sausage

entropy if you need a colonic, go to PZZA

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

entropy get the 'meat lover's'

cleon there she goes!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator Short!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE A Trade (Breakdown). Consider Short[/b] [b]MOGN 17.84[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE A Trade (Breakdown). Consider Short[/b] [b]MOGN 17.84[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]TYPE A Trade (Breakdown). Consider Short[/b] [b]MOGN 17.84[/b]

TraderBob ?

TraderBob ahh, missed alery, my bad.

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

jy stop on MOGN ? 18.27

entropy not much follow thru

cleon lots of fighting going on bull/bear

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]MOGN 18.27[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]MOGN 18.27[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]MOGN 18.27[/b]

entropy might be a trap

cleon could be

Ken-ST Moderator: the first break is the best opportunity for a trap

cleon volume was pretty high on the first dump

cleon 100k

jy MOGN below 52 week lod og 18.21 - there is no support ??

cleon righto

Ken-ST Moderator: not really

jy 52 week low of 18.21

cleon technically, somebody i guess could draw an h-and-s neckline and claim support??  but already bounced once off of 50 MA on upside so it looks like a good swing trade to me?  thoughts ken/james?

jy 52 week low of 18.02 sorry

cleon yep, i think YTD low was 18.02.  had my trigger at 18.01 but bad fill

Ken-ST Moderator: MOGN cleon?

cleon yes

Ken-ST Moderator: The stock is in trend no doubt

Ken-ST Moderator: however, it is a made a steep drop with no real pullback for sometime

cleon trend is your friend :)

cleon true

Ken-ST Moderator: The timing of the entry is the issue

Ken-ST Moderator: there is no basis for a stop at this point

Ken-ST Moderator: not a good one anyway

cleon would have rather entered at the 50 MA bounce for a swing?

cleon on the daily chart

Ken-ST Moderator: trend is still in your favor so you are on the right side,

Ken-ST Moderator: I want to see the stock arelady in trend.

Ken-ST Moderator: then a consoldiation day

Ken-ST Moderator: then I enter after the break of the trend lows

Ken-ST Moderator: THat way I can place my stop at the high of the consolidation day

Ken-ST Moderator: that 1 day rest/consoldiation day is good for the stock

cleon the ytd daily shows a perfect bounce off of the underside of the 50 ma - wish i'd had it on my watch then

cleon just above 21 i think

cleon made another nice move just now

entropy then quickly reversed

entropy why wont it just tank?

cleon value buyers, short covers, james screwing with us...who knows

Ken-ST Moderator: ah give it time

cleon one minute still looks pretty bearish

Ken-ST Moderator: let the Moving averages catch up

Ken-ST Moderator: you want a nice slow and steady trend

entropy Im geting old , time is not on my side

Ken-ST Moderator: when it starts to pick up, that is when things could be nearing an end

cleon i think SPX just went LOD

cleon ken, did you mean when the MAs turn up?

cleon NDX almost down 1% today - another crappy day for the mkt

Ken-ST Moderator: what do you mean?

cleon your 14:15 statement above

Ken-ST Moderator: no when the trend starts to pick up speed

entropy pza stp

cleon ah..is see.  like a blow off or similar?

Ken-ST Moderator: often times that could signal tha the trend is nearing an end

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PZZA Breakeven[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PZZA Breakeven[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]STOPPED Consider exit in[/b] [b]PZZA Breakeven[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: Exactly cleon

reserve QCOM S @44.35?

cleon i think MOGNs about to dump again...

MarkB adi tanking

entropy Im about to dump again too

cleon lol - must be all that pizza

James-ST Moderator: Market threatening LOD, stochastics are oversold

James-ST Moderator: Quesitons or comments?

entropy all those pig tails......................

James-ST Moderator: Market new LOD

James-ST Moderator: Market new low for the week

Ken-ST Moderator Update!

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]MOGN 18.13[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]MOGN 18.13[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]UPDATE: Moving stop on[/b] [b]MOGN 18.13[/b]

Hunter : good luck everybody, be back later

Ken-ST Moderator: Ok Hunter

johnboy later hunter

James-ST Moderator: later bud

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cleon ken, when you look at the dailies - do you prefer an SMA or EMA for the 50-day?

cleon swingtrades

entropy is ELOS a lod play?

Ken-ST Moderator: Back into p/d ranges

MarkB cu in 30

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boomer KEN...I hope I am not brigging bad luck to this chat room...lol

Ken-ST Moderator: no such thing man

JR we could use one of your magic spells on MOGN though

frederic actually, I think I DO bring bad luck .. check the stats since I am here .......... (since Nov. 30)

cleon bad luck would be if today it decides to reverse a pretty consistent weeklong downtrend !

cleon there it goes

cleon everyone just chant 'the trend is your friend' and maybe we can influence it karmicly (sp?)

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-6]

Ken-ST Moderator: do you mean comically?

cleon must have worked

cleon karma

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

cleon i'm chanting away over here

James-ST Moderator: Well the Itraqi Insurgents just executed the American......and people scrutinize how we treat prisoners??   bah.......[img id=em-9]

James-ST Moderator: Iraqi

James-ST Moderator: hey alaska, the american executed was from Alaska

cleon if you draw a downtrend line for the past week through the hourly tops, it's amazing how consistent MOGN has been this week

alaska yeah, I know someone who knows him, he is a contractor

JP Soldier / Civilian / contractor?

JP nevermine

JP nevermind

johnboy that sucks, I think those hostages are/were actually trying to help people.........yet another sad commentary on mankind

James-ST Moderator: when you say contractor you mean soldier right?

James-ST Moderator: bodyguard?

alaska civilian, former military, electrician

alaska civilian

cleon that does suck - would hate the sense of powerlessness if hostaged

James-ST Moderator: the pay there is ridiculous

cleon high?

James-ST Moderator: thus, so many contractors

James-ST Moderator: yes

James-ST Moderator: truck drivers make about 80-120k

johnboy I think the hostages were volunteers

cleon better than my trading income

James-ST Moderator: regular accountant hitting 100k+

James-ST Moderator: lot of soldiers just get out and go back for 10 times more money

cleon as contractors

Ken-ST Moderator: how much is peace of mind worth

James-ST Moderator: yes

JP I can not think of a worse job than driving a big ass truck through hostile territory.  Big money or not....the risk is just to high, IMO.

James-ST Moderator: yep any job there

cleon agreed - not worth the risk unless you enjoy that kind of thing

James-ST Moderator: boredom, nothing to do, danger, long hours......they can't fill positions.....

James-ST Moderator: no family

alaska GGR new high

alaska Long in that at 10.21

James-ST Moderator: you gotta figure, companies like Haliburton get billion dollar contracts.......all they have to do is send people to supposedly do a job.......just that they cant find measly accountants willing to go there.......

JP Nice alaska

johnboy bring back the draft?

James-ST Moderator: well......i think for all those contract jobs eventually the pay will get so high people will go.......

johnboy yep, everyone has a price

Ken-ST Moderator: What would be your price?

Ken-ST Moderator: in dollars, not beer or weed

johnboy in dollars or beer?

johnboy doh!

Ken-ST Moderator: lmao

James-ST Moderator: That Charlize Theron movie had the worst reviews i have ever seen, many critics saying it should be the worst movie of the year.......with her in it i find that hard to believe......

James-ST Moderator: jb is an buy

cleon so i've got an index question - given the SPX, SPY and individual stops, now that the ETFs (SPY) have pretty much the most volume, what effects the price of an individual stock more?  trades of the ETFs, or individual buying of stocks?

JP Aeon Flux looks horrible.

James-ST Moderator: jb truck driver in Iraq, 25k plus 1 case of budweiser a week.....

cleon stops = stocks

cleon effects = affects - sry for typos

johnboy really? I'm there, but 1 case, I'm a Canadian, eh........I'd need a little more than that

James-ST Moderator: agre jp......but we are talking a hot actress who has won awards (Academy?)......find it hard to believe she can be in such a bad movie

James-ST Moderator: hahahha jb

entropy james, same thing happened to hally berry

Ken-ST Moderator: hard to say cleon

JP Yeah, I was really surprised when she signed on for Aeon Flux.  Everything about the movie screamed "SUCK" before they even started filming.

Ken-ST Moderator: different for different stocks

entropy its debatable whether she deserved the oscar, tho

cleon have a feeling on the big volume stocks - ETFs drive price

James-ST Moderator: ah that is right entropy......catwoman.......

entropy that year was the equal rights year for minorities to win

James-ST Moderator: yep, just about to say that entropy.....Oscar for Monster's Ball?  heck no.....only because she did a raunchy nude sex scene......shocked everyone

entropy hallie is nice to look at naked

JP Catwoman was a fantastic comedy.

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-3]

James-ST Moderator: hahahhaha

James-ST Moderator: did not see it it looked so bad

entropy I wish hallie was here now giving me some comfort

James-ST Moderator: [img id=em-6]

johnboy hmm, must be in the wrong room

James-ST Moderator: two hands on the keyboard please

JP I caught it on Starz a couple months back.

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boomer tough luck...got stopped on MOGN...18.13 got reached

cleon POS, i'm going to see if it breaks that trendline at 18.14 first.

boomer your ok ...it's back at 18.00

boomer it can only finish higher...that's my prediction

cleon amazing because on the 15-min chart, it's touched it three times today, within .01 it looks like

boomer on the 15 min. chart the DM+ is crossing up the DM-...watch out

cleon stocks overbought - beauty of indicators - they can all tell you something different :)

cleon stochs

cleon i'll probably get stopped at 18.14.

cleon but have to test the trendline theory ;)

boomer KEN...no more stocks that have something to do wiht food...lol

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

boomer see you tomorrow ken and james and everybody else...ciao

Ken-ST Moderator: ok boomer

boomer lost enough for today

Ken-ST Moderator: take it easy man

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MarkB qdel hod

Ken-ST Moderator: nice recovery

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cleon MOGN LOD

johnboy wow, did you guys just see on CNBC that 50% of U.S. energy production still comes from coal?

Ken-ST Moderator: wow really?

James-ST Moderator: good.........that we have lots of

johnboy this must be a contributing reason to the American reluctance to endorse the Kyoto Accord perhaps

johnboy maybe a methane recovery dome should be placed over Washington D.C. to generate electricity

Ken-ST Moderator: lol

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Ken-ST Moderator: wb tcat

Ken-ST Moderator: We should have had Hybrids a long time ago

tcat sorry iam late but

jy MOGN falling

cleon i sold my last piece at .75 but am swingtrading the short longer-term

cleon that last swing was almost 2% i think - crazy

jy MOGN profit

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

Ken-ST Moderator Profit!

jy I should have a sound

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]MOGN[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]MOGN[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]MOGN[/b]

Ken-ST Moderator: [b]1% PROFIT HIT. Consider taking some profits in[/b] [b]MOGN[/b]

jy gj

jy o.k. cu guys tomorrow. ty

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Ken-ST Moderator: ok jy

Ken-ST Moderator: take care

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cleon i'm out until tomorrow - see you guys then - crazy day today

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Ken-ST Moderator: ok cleon

Ken-ST Moderator: take carea

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kimmron Ok, have a nice evening guys, crazy day for me too

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JP GOOG HOD

MarkB How is it we weren't in NTMD?

JP I think someone mentioned it early this morning.

MarkB Watched it all day had no trust though

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Ken-ST Moderator: its hard to see where resistance would kick in

Ken-ST Moderator: On those types of stocks you may try the following entry technique:

johnboy well, back to work tomorrow. see you all monday. have a terrific weekend everyone

James-ST Moderator: OK JB TAKE CARE BUD

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Ken-ST Moderator: You watch for retracements to the 5 ema on 5 min

Ken-ST Moderator: then you buy the breakout to new hod

Ken-ST Moderator: your stop will be placed at a penny below the low of the pullback

Ken-ST Moderator: of course be mindful of your Time of Day

Ken-ST Moderator: that is mui importante when trading any stock

MarkB THX i'll do some home work on that tonite.

MarkB Where can I get  general Time of day stats

Ken-ST Moderator: goes into better detail in the Market Assessment Videos

MarkB Is this chat archived as well?

Ken-ST Moderator: but general times are as follows:

JP Ken, what EMA settings do you use?

Ken-ST Moderator: 1st period:  9:30 to 11:30

Ken-ST Moderator: lunch:  11:30 - 1:30

Ken-ST Moderator: 3 rd period:  1:30 - 4:00

MarkB 1 and 3 better than 2?

Ken-ST Moderator: 2 is THE WORST

MarkB flat?

MarkB lunch etc

Ken-ST Moderator: yupp

Ken-ST Moderator: countertrends

Ken-ST Moderator: false breakouts

Ken-ST Moderator: Range Trading

Ken-ST Moderator: toughest period to be trading

Ken-ST Moderator: our chats are all on the sites

MarkB Thanks Ken I'll give you more challenges tomorrow!

Hunter : Hey Ken just got back, how'd the futures do ? up/down how many points ?

Ken-ST Moderator: 6.5 points today

Ken-ST Moderator: up

MarkB bby rally

Hunter : wow, you stud you ! ! lol